Dear Wholegrain Wisdom Community,
I'm happy to share my latest interview on WGW Podcast, exploring the real mechanics of human performance: not the surface-level hacks, but the deep biological and spiritual architecture that shapes how we think, act, and create.
Today's episode is with someone whose work has profoundly shaped my own journey: Gisel Romero, a certified bioneuroemotion coach and expert guide in working with ancestral plant medicines. Gisel has been my personal guide through some of the most transformative experiences I've had, and her perspective bridges something desperately needed right now: the integration of ancient sacred wisdom with modern scientific understanding.
If you've ever been curious about psychedelics but felt overwhelmed by the noise, this conversation cuts through it all. Gisel shares not just the neuroscience, but the deeper question most people ignore: why intention, context, and integration matter far more than the substance itself.
This is the story of how your relationship with consciousness technologies shapes whether they become tools for genuine transformation or just another quick fix in disguise.
Key Highlights from Our Conversation:
The Medicine Shows You the Path (But You Still Have to Walk It)
One of the most powerful moments came when Gisel delivered a truth that cuts through the romanticization of psychedelics: the medicine can show you what you need to see, but if you don't walk the path and do the work, you become even more ignorant because you're deliberately ignoring what was revealed to you.
This isn't about demonizing plant medicines. It's about understanding their actual function. They're not cures. They're mirrors. They expand your consciousness enough to see patterns that were previously invisible: your limiting beliefs, your inherited trauma, your unconscious programming. But revelation without integration is just spiritual entertainment.
The real transformation happens in the days, weeks, and months after the experience. When someone yells at you and you forget all about divine love. That's when the actual work begins.
Why 97% of Your Life Runs on Autopilot (And How Plant Medicines Break the Loop)
Gisel explained something that connects directly to neuroscience: approximately 97% of our daily actions are run by our subconscious mind on complete autopilot. And the master code running that autopilot? Our belief systems, most of which were installed before age seven.
This is where psilocybin becomes fascinating. When you ingest the medicine, your brain's default mode network (that constant internal chatter, the rumination, the protective voice) quiets down significantly. In that silence, neuroplasticity activates. New neural connections form faster and stronger. This is why these medicines show such promise for addiction recovery: they literally create the biological conditions for rewiring.
But here's what Gisel emphasized: the rewiring window stays open for about two weeks after an experience. That's your integration period. Miss that window, and you're back to the same patterns with a fancier story.
The Lost Sacredness: How Ancient Cultures Got It Right
What struck me most was Gisel's deep knowledge of how these medicines have been used across human history. The Vedic traditions with Soma. The ancient Persians with Haoma. The Greeks with Kykeon. The indigenous traditions with peyote and ayahuasca.
In every case, the medicines were used for one primary purpose: to commune with the divine and recognize oneself as part of the totality. Not for recreation. Not for escaping problems. For genuine spiritual connection.
But somewhere along the way, likely as organized religion consolidated power, the direct experience of divinity became threatening. Why would you need a priest if you could experience connection yourself? So sacred technologies were replaced with faith: believing in something you cannot feel, with someone else translating the message.
This is why the modern psychedelic renaissance is both a blessing and a risk. We're rediscovering these tools, but often stripping away the sacred context that made them effective.
Set, Setting, and the Art of Not Resisting
For anyone considering working with plant medicines, Gisel outlined what actually determines whether you have a transformative or traumatic experience.
First, the contraindications: people with bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or certain other mental health conditions should not work with these medicines. The risk of psychiatric crisis is real.
Beyond that, Gisel emphasized set and setting. Who you're with. Where you are. Whether you feel safe. The diet you've followed (toxins make processing harder). And most importantly: your intention. Going in without clear intention is like opening a door without knowing what room you're entering.
The "bad trips" people talk about? Almost always caused by resistance. When you start losing control (inevitable with these experiences), controlling personalities fight back. That resistance creates the suffering, not the medicine.
The guidance is simple: let yourself go. When intensity rises, return to your breath. Trust the process. This is why skilled facilitators matter: not to interfere, but to remind you that you're safe when your nervous system is convinced otherwise.
Neo-Shamanism: Bridging Two Languages
Gisel introduced neo-shamanism as her generation's role: bringing together scientific language and sacred language. Even as a Mexican, when she encounters traditional indigenous shamans, there's still a language gap. They live in different worlds.
Her generation's task? To interpret ancient wisdom for modern consciousness. To create bridges so people from any background can access these technologies without adopting belief systems that feel foreign.
The question isn't whether the traditional or modern approach is "right." It's which language resonates with you.
The Body Knows Everything (If You Learn to Listen)
Throughout our conversation, Gisel kept returning to one theme: the body as teacher. We live in a culture of quick fixes. Headache? Take a pill. We never ask what the body is trying to communicate.
The disconnection from self is the root problem. We carry baggage that isn't ours: inherited beliefs, generational trauma, societal programming. Plant medicines can illuminate these patterns. But the actual healing requires learning to listen to your body's wisdom every day, not just during ceremony.
How This Conversation Links to Previous Deep Dives of WGW
On the neuroscience of belief systems: We've examined why your brain can't distinguish growth from danger, and plant medicines create windows for rewiring precisely by quieting that protective mental chatter your Default Mode Network generates.
On the body as intelligence system: This connects directly to our exploration of how your body rejects your own intuition. Your nervous system processes 11 million bits per second while your conscious mind handles only 40. Plant medicines amplify these signals. But the real practice is learning to hear them daily.
On identity and consciousness: As we explored in Who Am I Without My Startup, external achievement without internal fulfillment is the founder trap. You cannot solve internal problems with external solutions. The goal isn't the experience. It's integration.
On ancient wisdom meeting modern science: As we've covered in our quantum biology series, these traditions weren't primitive. They were sophisticated systems modern science is only beginning to validate.
The medicine opens the door. You still have to walk through, and keep walking, long after the ceremony ends.